Disability Culture Meets the Transhumanist Condition

With apologies to Ed Regis.

Modern science has caused humankind to develop better cures and patches for once-debilitating conditions; people often survive maladies which would have killed them not long ago. In the wake of this and of a recently changing attitude regarding how cognitively disabled people might see the world, a disability rights movement came into swing in the 1970s. Increasingly, the attitude of disabled people was that it wasn't inherently bad to be disabled; a disability could be an intrinsic part of a person's self-image. Some people in wheelchairs, for instance, want badly to be able to walk - but some do not, and the mainstream attitude has historically not validated those people's experiences. This is where disability culture intersects the transhumanist movement. If it is possible to identify so strongly with a physical disability as to not want any cure, how does that mesh with believing that it is desirable to improve one's mind and body? Is it possible to identify as a happily disabled transhumanist?

This does not intend to suggest that transhumanism is a movement of eugenic warriors; it's hard to imagine anyone suggesting that folks who don't sign up for the "Harmless and easy cure for senescence" shot be sterilized. However, despite the fact that hardly anyone would identify emself as an eugenicist (a fine thing to call yourself once-upon-a-time in America, until the Nazis rendered the term unpopular,) literally eugenic attitudes in society prevail, e.g. the prevalent belief that people with Huntington's disease or schizophrenia who reproduce are cruel for hazarding the inheritance of their condition.

One wonders what disability culture would look like if people who are today in wheelchairs had access to technology that could repair their legs and allow them to walk. I wonder if people with congenital disabilities which would today require a wheelchair would have a choice about being cured, or whether the cure would be implemented in infancy. In 2007, a girl named Ashley who has an unknown brain disorder and cannot communicate or move herself effectively was given a series of radical procedures - hysterectomy, mastectomy and high estrogen doses - intended to make her easier to take care of. Was the literally non-consensual hysterectomy an eugenicist procedure? An immoral one? Was it in the spirit of transhumanism? In a future where Down syndrome can be prevented with a prenatal vaccine, would such a vaccine be moral? How about vaccines for "low-functioning" autism? At that rate, surely it would be possible to vaccinate for Asperger syndrome, depression, and ADHD, conditions which many people dislike and/or dislike having. (As an aside, with all the medically-repudiated yet widespread fear about vaccines causing autism, one can only imagine the panic an autism vaccine would cause.)

I don't have answers to these questions. I have feelings and impressions, but those are not very useful. The issue cannot be solved unilaterally by saying that only those who enthusiastically consent to certain medical procedures should be given them, because many people are incapable of giving clear consent, as in the Ashley treatment. Nor can it be clearly solved by suggesting only prophylactic measures against disabling conditions, because certainly some parents would forego those measures. In a transhuman future, is the birth of a nonverbal autistic a preventable tragedy? Is it less of a tragedy if the child is a savant? Nor can one say that only conditions without an accompanying culture should be eradicated. Even if the definition of 'culture' were not elusive, HIV/AIDS has a definite culture about it, and few people would suggest that HIV should not be eradicated.

It is not useful to ignore the role of disabled people and disability culture in the transhumanist movement. I believe that the future has a lot to offer many people with disabilities, including those who do not want a 'cure.' Transhumanism can encompass interest in diverse AAC methods, and I believe it should. Simple keyboard technology has made it possible for many otherwise nonverbal people to communicate eloquently, as have DynaVox devices and various iPad apps. It would delight me to see widespread discussion about more powerful AAC devices, which could enable us to perceive and act on the desires of those who cannot now communicate.

Nor has technology reached its limits in helping those with physical disabilities; wheelchairs are generally clumsy and heavy, and expensive for people without insurance - nearly inaccessible to people who live without insurance in impoverished areas of the world (or of the United States.) People who, like Stephen Hawking, become paralyzed by motor neuron diseases, do not all possess Stephen Hawking's access to high-tech communications devices (for which prices begin at thousands of dollars.) And people with disabilities like epilepsy or cerebral palsy are still often abused for their "demonic possession" or inaccurately stereotyped as mentally disabled. The transhumanist movement tends to advocate augmentation sans cure as far as physical disabilities are concerned, but there are people with mixed feelings about transhumanism as it applies to disability.

Disability is a hot button topic surrounded by widely varying spectra of beliefs. It directly affects humankind and is not often discussed rationally because of the subjective experiences people have had with varying disabilities. (The mother of a nonverbal autistic says, "There should be a cure for autism; I want my son to say he loves me." A nonverbal autistic communicating by AAC says "There shouldn't be a cure for autism; I want people to learn how I communicate my affection." Their conflicting beliefs do not predict radically different anticipated experiences.) So a rational, clear dialogue about disability is vital - for disabled people, their friends and families, and the world at large - in order to integrate these identities and experiences into the future and present of humankind.

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Like a lot of social questions, attitudes toward disability remediation only start getting really nasty when they intersect with people's identities -- which is probably what writers are getting at much of the time when they talk about "disability culture", although I think that's a less than ideal choice of words since cultures intersect only imperfectly with self-image. Now, at this point I could link to "Keep Your Identity Small" and wash my hands of the problem. Certainly that's the advice I'd give to anyone in the unlikely position of making conscious choices about their future relationship with disability. But that's a dodge, and there's enough situations where it's inadequate that I think the question deserves a real answer.

I don't think breaking our response to the identity construction of disability down in medical terms ("they're sick; it's our job to cure them") is going to get us anywhere: the social architecture of medicine makes it poorly suited to navigating scenarios which the patient wouldn't consider dysfunctional. Let's consider our response in sociological terms instead: it has medical consequences when alternatives are or may become available, but people take on all sorts of identities with quality-of-life implications.

Looked at through that lens, choosing to accept a disability when remedial measures are available becomes largely equivalent to e.g. taking a vow of silence. Public choice issues make this trickier (enough so that I could probably devote a fairly long post to them), but if we leave those out it looks to be well within the scope of social variation: a little weird, sure, but not obviously destructive and perhaps handy on a society-wide level if problems come up where isomorphic coping skills would be useful.

But then there's the issue of taking steps to spread disability identification: patients opting out of gene therapies which could resolve the disability for their children, campaigning against curative technologies, and so forth. To a certain extent this can be considered self-defensive, and it's probably best to keep the distinction in mind. But insofar as it involves nonconsensual withholding of potential cures, it seems equivalent to (to borrow an Iain M. Banks phrase) aggressive hegemonization, and strikes me as rude. Identities do not have a right to exist independent of their carriers' preferences, and attempts to render those preferences irrelevant should probably be discouraged.

The analogies to augmentive transhumanism are all fairly straightforward.

Increasingly, the attitude of disabled people was that it wasn't inherently bad to be disabled

Same way that many battered spouses have learned to talk about the good points of their abusers, and many mortal people have learned to talk about the good points of mortality, I'm sure that many disabled people have learned to talk about the good points of their disability.

But as for the rest of us, we don't need to treat abuse, or death, or disability as remotely good.

Agreed, but the argument of the "deaf culture", as far as I can see, isn't "being deaf is good", it's refusing to trade away what they see as "native" culture for social acceptance. And besides, cochlear implants are far inferior to normal hearing capabilities, I expect their attitude to them will change as the quality improves.

Would you view a homosexual refusing a (real, working) treatment for his "condition" as equally irrational? The deaf culture isn't just a pathetic rationalisation like deathism.

Once again, I bring up the exchange from Gideon's Crossing, where a black doctor advises a deaf woman to give her deaf daughter cochlear implants:

Mother: You're saying that hearing people are better than deaf people!
Doctor: I'm saying it's easier.
Mother: Would your life be easier if you were white?

For those that don't catch the analogy: yes, life might be easier if you were hearing rather than deaf, but gaining the ability to hear would change a fundamental part of your identity and separate you from your "native culture".

Not endorsing this view, just trying to give a better intuition for it.

It's interesting that obvious moral of your anecdote is supposed to be that no black person would want to change into a white person, even though life would be easier. I mean, I agree it's probably true, but it seems mysterious to me, like something that needs to be explained. One explanation is that a single black person changing to white would in a sense be betraying all her black friends, or legitimizing the idea that being black is worse than being white, but I can think of a contrived scenario where those explanations don't seem to apply.

Suppose that we had a machine that could change people's skin color, physical features, and speech patterns, so that people of one race could be turned indistinguishable from people of another. And suppose we wanted to end all racial discrimination forever by making everyone the same race. So we flip a coin to decide whether all white people have to change into black people, or all black people have to change into white people - discrimination disappears either way, and this way we know it's not a power thing where white people are trying to enforce their own norms.

I'm white, and I don't think I would object too much if the coin came up as "all whites have to change to blacks." I could see some white people objecting on aesthetic grounds, that they've been conditioned to think white people are more attractive and don't want to be in bodies they would view as less attractive. I could imagine a whole bunch of white people objecting just to be contrary. But overall I can't think of any really good objections from the white point of view.

But I know that part of white privilege is the privilege of thinking race doesn't make that much difference, so I predict that black people would want to think much harder about the case where all blacks have to change into whites. They'd probably have the same aesthetics and general contrariness objections as the white people, but if the rest of the thread is any indication there might also be an objection surrounding "black culture".

One could say that whatever black people like about black culture, they could continue to like if they had white skin. I guess the counterargument would be that black culture needs a certain critical mass to survive, and that if there were no artificial division between blacks and whites forcing them into different communities and different "meme pools", it would get overwhelmed by the more common white culture. But this seems like it's also a good argument against any attempt to fight racism or end segregation. And although I am almost sure someone is going to scoff really hard at me for saying this and explain why it's totally not appropriate, lots of white people seem to like a lot of black culture and even be pretty good at some "traditionally black" forms of expression, and vice versa.

I'd be really interested in hearing from some minority - whether in terms of race or sexual orientation or whatever - who wouldn't want her community to accept a coin toss on the principles described above.

But overall I can't think of any really good objections from the white point of view.

Is "my bodily autonomy is more important than your dreams of social justice" just being contrary?

I'd be really interested in hearing from some minority - whether in terms of race or sexual orientation or whatever - who wouldn't want her community to accept a coin toss on the principles described above.

What would such a coin toss look like for sexuality? If it comes up heads, everyone becomes straight, and if tails everyone becomes gay? That would have significant extinction concerns. Everyone becoming bisexual on tails is more reasonable, but it doesn't map onto the same sort of concerns, because now it's asymmetric: straight guys who become bisexual can still be attracted to women, but gay guys who become straight can't still be attracted to men. So maybe heads is everyone stays the same? But that's just odd- "we have this option, and either we'll do it or we won't."

I wouldn't mind moving from gay to bisexual, and I wouldn't mind gay culture disappearing. I suspect that everyone becoming bisexual would lead to a net social loss, though, even though I might be better off.

I suspect that everyone becoming bisexual would lead to a net social loss, though

Why? What kind of loss?

The first thing that comes to mind is that there is a benefit to being able to befriend / work with people without having to deal with the possibility of romantic attachments, especially when you consider sexual jealousy. If everyone were straight, I could trust my wife with half the population, and she could trust me with half the population- if everyone were bisexual, I would now have to consider the possibility that my wife/husband were cheating on me with literally everyone s/he knows, and s/he would have the same worry.

Similarly, the number of unrequited connections could increase significantly. I'm not sure what would happen with sexual frustration- there would be more desire but also probably more fulfillment.

Then you get to other measures, like STD transmission or population growth. If you give all men the desire to have sex with other men, given the increased willingness of men to have casual sex compared to women it seems like you'll get fewer stable couples, fewer child-raising couples, and more promiscuity, leading to dramatic increases in STDs.

The first thing that comes to mind is that there is a benefit to being able to befriend / work with people > without having to deal with the possibility of romantic attachments,

Are you the sort of person who views every member of your preferred attraction-category by sex as a potential romance? If so, this says a lot more about you than human nature.

especially when you consider sexual jealousy.

Options: Non-monogamy. Trusting your partner. Communication with partner, ascertaining whether emotional needs are likely to be met in this relationship. Accepting that sexual jealousy happens because humans are emotional animals and that its mere existence does not constitute a failure mode.

If everyone were straight, I could trust my wife with half the population, and she could trust me with > half the population-

Or you could actually trust each other. What kind of trust is it that depends upon the other player being unable to defect? And are you so entirely sure your wife couldn't be bisexual?

Similarly, the number of unrequited connections could increase significantly.

People could also learn to, you know, deal with those. It's not like unrequited attraction is new.

Are you the sort of person who views every member of your preferred attraction-category by sex as a potential romance? If so, this says a lot more about you than human nature.

I have no doubt that I unconsciously evaluate every person I interact with; where else would the label "cute" come from?

Options: Non-monogamy.

The question was what would happen if everyone became bisexual; I presumed everything else would stay constant. That is, many people would choose many varieties of non-monogamy, and the existence of jealousy would complicate those choices.

People could also learn to, you know, deal with those. It's not like unrequited attraction is new.

Sure. But remember that policy debates should not appear one-sided. Having to deal with unrequited attractions is a cost, even if people get good at doing so. The question about net loss or net gain is about balancing losses and gains. There are a number of benefits to everyone becoming bisexual, but also a number of costs, and when I eyeball them I reckon the costs as larger than the benefits.

I think that tribalism expands to cover any differences. Some experience among various Orthodox Jewish groups is one piece of information in my background. Ideological divisions are unimportant within a group half the size of a congregation and important within a group the size of a congregation, regardless of the ideological diversity in the congregation.

Mothers can tell identical twins apart. Anything less than an extreme reduction in differences won't do much to reduce Schelling point in-group/out-group division.

Speech patterns are part of culture, and you mentioned them as one of the things which would be changed.

That objection could probably be covered by adding speech patterns rather than eliminating them.

How about religion? Would the atheists here be comfortable with a coin toss approach to being religious or not?

I'm ethnically Jewish (personally agnostic). I'm uncomfortable with Christianity in a way which I think is different from the way people who were raised Christian and who've had bad experiences are. I haven't had personal bad experiences with Christianity, but I'm not only edgy about it, but it's like Gandhi and the murder pill-- I'm not comfortable with the idea of fading out my discomfort, even though I can't see that it's doing me any good.

Being Jewish carries a lot of memories with it. I only go to a service if it's an important event for someone else, but if I do, I'm reasonably familiar with the ritual. I still like the Jewish folk songs I learned in Hebrew school. I suppose I could keep all that (from this paragraph) if the coin toss came up Unitarian, but not otherwise. It's not as though the folk songs are a secret, but no one else especially bothers to learn them.

The general point is that these differences aren't just pasted-on labels for the most part. (The exception I'm thinking of is a news story I read about an anti-Semite in Eastern Europe who found out he had Jewish ancestry, gave up anti-Semitism, and became observant. People are very strange.)

I'm not sure how useful arguments from completely imaginary tech are.

Other free association: I've read about an exercise where people were asked to list the labels they identified with, and the list tended to mostly include things they'd been hurt about.

I don't think the anecdote (parable?) requires or implies that no black person would want to become white, just that a black person could feel that way, and wish to keep other blacks from making such a conversion, without being obviously malicious.

At least, I find that view (for black or deaf people) much more understandable than the view that drives the humans in the good ending of Three Worlds Collide [1], which is widely agreed with here.

[1] that view being, basically, that the loss of a planet of humans is an acceptable price to pay to preserve human "growing pains" (romantic strife, embarrassment, etc).

I'd be really interested in hearing from some minority - whether in terms of race or sexual orientation or whatever - who wouldn't want her community to accept a coin toss on the principles described above.

I’m white and I wouldn’t be favourable towards the coin toss idea, but I’ll answer anyway since some of the reasoning might be the same.

Suppose that we had a machine that could change people's skin color, physical features, and speech patterns, so that people of one race could be turned indistinguishable from people of another. And suppose we wanted to end all racial discrimination forever by making everyone the same race. So we flip a coin to decide whether all white people have to change into black people, or all black people have to change into white people - discrimination disappears either way, and this way we know it's not a power thing where white people are trying to enforce their own norms.

Firstly, changing surface appearances wouldn’t necessarily end racial discrimination (i.e. physical similarity doesn't guarantee the absence of tribal identification; discrimination may be based on alleged biological differences that are not limited to surface characteristics). Furthermore I don’t see how pair bonding and attraction, and personal identity could be adequately preserved (for people in general) through substantial changes in physical appearance. For the sake of the thought experiment I suppose we can ignore this, though.

I would nonetheless object to the idea on the basis that it is needlessly illiberal. Why not just allow anyone to use the machine if they want to do so? If someone feels he is being discriminated against, then he is free to use the machine. If he is unwilling to use the machine, presumably the problem isn’t bad enough to merit trampling over the personal liberty and aesthetic values of others.

I'm white, and I don't think I would object too much if the coin came up as "all whites have to change to blacks." I could see some white people objecting on aesthetic grounds, that they've been conditioned to think white people are more attractive and don't want to be in bodies they would view as less attractive. I could imagine a whole bunch of white people objecting just to be contrary. But overall I can't think of any really good objections from the white point of view.

I presume that "conditioning" refers to social conditioning, i.e. being told or being subjected to media and insinuation that one ethnic group is more attractive than another.

Other (not mutually exclusive) possibilities:

  1. Said aesthetic judgements are not purely due to "conditioning", but are (at least in part) formed by the same mental processes as other aesthetic judgements in general.
  2. There are certain modules of the mind that render humans likely to form tribal attachments to their ethnic groups (non-EEA condition - just how the adaptations are expressed today). The in-group/out-group dichotomy influences sincere aesthetic judgements.
  3. Humans are on average naturally attracted to somewhat similar-looking mates. This influences aesthetic judgements of other ethnic groups in general. Unpacking "natural", genetic causes might interact with early environment e.g. the ethnicity of the humans to which someone is exposed as an infant. #2 and #3 might be closely related causes.

I don’t see why aesthetics shouldn’t be considered a good reason for objecting to the change, whatever the case may be. I suppose humans might be expected to have second-order preferences in favour of allocating relatively little priority to aesthetic preferences that are merely socially conditioned - perhaps - but I don’t see any reason to assume that this is true of the aesthetic preference in question.

Furthermore, homogenising humanity might be considered an aesthetic disutility independent of any comparison between the aesthetic qualities of different ethnic groups – much in the same way that it is a shame when attractive and unique animal species become extinct. Human ethnic groups differ less than different animal species but as humans, the value that many of us attach to diversity and distinctiveness within the human species is magnified.

In at least one sense, hearing people ARE better than deaf people. I'm not saying they have more moral worth, I'm saying that, all other things being equal, the hearing person can do things that the deaf person can't. The latest iPhone (to pick a piece of technology with a recognizable progression in quality) is better than the iPhone 3G. It has a faster processor and various other doohickies that improve its function. It's not morally superior, but it IS objectively better, as, as far as I can tell, the ability to hear is objectively better to deafness.

Deaf people can also do things that hearing people can't. They are completely immune to noise and auditory distractions. I can imagine a future in which people pay for getting an implant that grants them voluntary deafness powers. I'd buy it.

Apart from that bit of pedantry, I agree with your comment.

I can imagine a future in which people pay for getting an implant that grants them voluntary deafness powers. I'd buy it.

Behold The Future!

Deaf people can also do things that hearing people can't. They are completely immune to noise and auditory distractions.

These sound a lot like the rationalizations used to justify why death is a good thing.

No, it doesn't. It would only sound that way if the claim were that deafness is better on net (as is claimed of mortality), rather than pointing out one particular benefit of being deaf.

(Minor nitpick: people labeled "deaf" can still pick up very low-frequency vibrations, and if they're next to a really wild party, can still get annoyed by the bass. Similarly, people with "no light perception" still get fried by lasers.)

I understand this perspective, but the analogy seems rather inapt. I can imagine societal changes that ameliorate the relative stigmatism of dark skin. I have difficulty imagining changes that would allow deaf people to enjoy music, for example. I can imagine technological changes that would allow deaf people the benefit of communicating with a much broader portion of the population without restoring their hearing, but am uncertain how resistant the deaf would be to that for cultural reasons

I think a better analogy for the deaf parents here is to people in the developed world who argue for leaving uncontacted tribes isolated. They think the tribespeople would be losing something by being exposed to the modern world around them, just as the deaf parents think something of their culture would be lost by easy access to the hearing world. I'm not particularly sympathetic in either case.

Agreed, but the argument of the "deaf culture", as far as I can see, isn't "being deaf is good", it's refusing to trade away what they see as "native" culture for social acceptance.

I'm talking about the ability to hear, I'm not talking about "social acceptance". The way you put it, it almost sounds as if the only difference between a deaf person and a hearing person, is that the latter is accepted by society and the former isn't.

The deaf culture isn't just a pathetic rationalisation like deathism.

You don't think that we'll have to abandon at least as large a chuck of our current mortal deathist cultures when we defeat death? A mortal might just as well complain about abandoning mortal culture, as some deaf people might complain about abandoning deaf culture.

And fine: that's their own personal choice -- I'm all in favor of voluntary euthanasia. But if they start talking about doing the same to their kids, throw them to jail, and put the kids in a family where they'll be safe from such harm.

Would you view a homosexual refusing a (real, working) treatment for his "condition" as equally irrational?

No, being sexually attracted to people of the opposite sex or the same sex, or both sexes, or neither sex, isn't an "ability". It's an attribute that is desireable at some times, undesireable at others. I wouldn't frown on those who chose to configure themselves in any of the four ways (gay, straight, bi, asexual), any more than I would frown on the people who hacked themselves into polyamory, or who would have hacked themselves out of it.

I agree that the difference between hearing and deafness is more than just a social construct (although there is a social construct associated with it, and the importance of that is non-negligible); there is also a difference in ability. Hearing people can hear; deaf people can't.

If that is sufficient grounds to conclude that bearing and raising a deaf child is grounds for taking that child away from me (either now, or in our hypothetical transhumanist future), it seems to follow that failing to reconfigure my child to benefit from any technologically achievable augmentation should equally be grounds for doing so.

The endpoint of that reasoning seems to be that in a transhumanist culture, everyone is raised with all available augmentations -- not just as potential options, but as realized capabilities. Any attempt to raise a child without one of those augmentations is grounds for having that child taken away.

I reject that endpoint... but it's not entirely clear to me where along the garden path I want to draw the line, or how I would justify drawing it there.

I remember hearing about people complaining that cochlear implants were damaging deaf culture, or something. A quick google turned this up as the first hit, which seems to be evidence that what I heard was somewhat real.

I'm pretty sure I have heard about people saying that technology for having unimpaired children is in some way 'against' the disabled.

An awful lot of people do not think straight.

I think it's... more complicated than that? The issue of audio quality is present; right now, there's no implant that can cause a Deaf person to hear things without significant distortion. It makes sense to me that some Deaf people would want a shot at communicating face-to-face with a broader spectrum of people, and others would feel that the lack of sound quality wasn't worth an invasive, expensive surgery which is only sporadically covered by insurance. The factors of choice involved are what make doing implant surgeries on babies a bit problematic.

It's relevant that non-disabled people rate the probable quality of life of the disabled as significantly lower than do the disabled people themselves.

You can find audio samples online that attempt to represent what speech and music sound like through a cochlear implant. It ain't pretty.

But it's much more than that. Here's my understanding, based on some ASL classes and reading on the subject. If there is a Deaf person reading this, I hope you'll correct any errors or exaggerations I've made:

Deaf culture is a linguistic minority group as well as a disability minority group. People involved in Deaf culture strongly value their language — sign language. There's a solid reason for this: Many years ago, most schools for the deaf had policies of suppressing the use of sign language and instead forced deaf kids to learn as much oral language, lip-reading, and so forth, as they could. This was called "oralism". And it turns out that oralism inhibits and slows language acquisition to the point that kids don't become competent in any language during the critical early years when the human brain is capable of primary language acquisition.

As a result, deaf people taught through exclusive oralism have lower reading comprehension and even IQ than deaf people taught through sign language. In contrast, those who learn sign language early are subsequently able to learn to read and write at the same level as hearing people. Sign language (e.g. ASL) turns out to work as well as spoken language in developing the brain's general language ability.

Basically, oralism causes learning disability: it literally makes people stupider. And so, failing to teach sign language to a deaf kid is basically considered a form of child abuse.

So, as a consequence, there is a very negative reaction to the idea of taking deaf kids away from the Deaf (i.e. sign-language) linguistic community; doing so is historically associated with child abuse; with ruining that child's development; depriving him or her of a primary language, linguistic ability, and a language community in which he or she can fully participate. So, to some, cochlear implants are seen as threatening to take a person out of first-class status in a small community (Deaf culture) and instead giving them second-class status in a larger community (hearing culture).

Basically, oralism causes learning disability: it literally makes people stupider. And so, failing to teach sign language to a deaf kid is basically considered a form of child abuse.

I wonder how much that remains true with cochlear implants; I would expect that cochlear implants + oralism (lip reading, etc.) > sign language > oralism alone.

... though I'm not even sure of the last bit; from Wikipedia:

Research along those lines continued, however, and studies have helped validate the assertion that children benefit developmentally, educationally and socially from modern oralist teaching methodologies like the Auditory-Oral method.Geers and Moog (1989) found that of a test sample of 100 profoundly hearing-impaired 16- and 17-year olds enrolled in oral and mainstream programs, 88% were proficient and highly intelligible with their spoken language, and could read at much higher grade levels than the national average for deaf children.

Do you have any sources for Oralism being worse than sign language, and not merely less popular among the deaf? (the latter is evidence, but weaker than serious research)

When I first encountered this some years ago, it made my head spin.

After some thinking about it, I ultimately concluded that it's not a completely alien idea.

I acknowledge that life is more difficult in certain readily quantifiable ways for queer people than for straight people, but it doesn't follow that I would use a reliable therapy for making me straight if such a thing existed... and in fact I wouldn't. Nor would I encourage the development of such a therapy, particularly, and indeed the notion of anyone designing such a therapy makes me more than faintly queasy. And if it existed, I'd be reluctant to expose my children to it. And I would be sympathetic to claims that developers and promoters of such a technology are in some way acting 'against' queer folk.

And that's not because I want the difficulties themselves; I don't. I want those differential difficulties to disappear; I just don't like the idea of having them disappear by making everyone straight. I want them to disappear by having the culture treat queers and straights in ways that don't create differential difficulties.

Perhaps, were I a more rational being, I would make different choices along these lines... perhaps this is a sign of non-straight thinking on my part (no pun intended). I can see a reasonable argument along those lines.

My head still spins when I try to extend that understanding to Deaf folks who say similar things about deafness. But objectively I'm not sure it's that different.

I think it's reasonable to argue that deafness (just for example) is more fundamentally limiting than having a "nonstandard" sexuality. It's not just a matter of social norms. Choosing to be deaf is one thing, but intentionally having deaf children is problematic. (I can understand the attitude that current medical techniques are a calculated risk, of course.)

There's also the issue that not everyone is comfortable with the way their mind or body happens to be put together (on every side of things). Telling those people that they can't change themselves because somebody thinks that they're "betraying their heritage" or whatever else strikes me as rather the opposite of what transhumanism is all about.

Is the opposition to cochlear implants really an example of bad thinking, or merely certain deaf individuals having different goals?

Note: I do not necessarily support these goals.

Is opposition to life extension/immortality really an example of bad thinking, or merely certain individuals having different goals?

I'm not sure the question means anything, nor am I sure exactly what it would mean if it did.

An easier thought experiment for me to imagine, which seems to relate to this question, is how I would expect cultural attitudes towards unattractive people to evolve when technology allows individuals to choose their appearances. A still easier one is how I would expect such attitudes to be projected into an online environment where people choose the appearances of their avatars. My intuition is that the "ugly"/"attractive" scale starts to mean very different things in such cultures, and ultimately ceases to mean much of anything at all, and questions like "should I be allowed to choose an ugly avatar?" and "should my avatar be forcibly upgraded to be less ugly?" start to feel like silly questions to which the correct answer is "who cares?". Sure, I may understand intellectually that newcomers to this culture come from a world where attractiveness matters a great deal, and may have a hard time acclimatizing themselves to the idea that my world is different; I may even sympathize with their need to ask such silly questions, but that won't make me respect the questions any more.

Relatedly, one thing I might expect in a transhumanist culture is that the whole idea of a linear scale of ability might wither in the face of a myriad incommensurable but mutually exclusive abilities and a general presumption of as much competence as an individual desires. That is, "disabled" would come to mean something very different, and ultimately would cease to mean much of anything.

Put another way: if I'm a nonverbal autistic in such a culture who has the choice of installing the ability to express affection verbally, but chooses not to, and you're a something-else who has the choice of installing the ability to understand how I communicate affection but chooses not to, and both of us have the choice of installing the ability to communicate telepathically but have chosen not to, it's not clear to me that either of us is in a position even remotely like the autistic and his mother you describe.

Another example: in such a culture, if I plug real-time information about others' preferences directly into my own motivational framework to become maximally social, while you artificially compensate for the natural cognitive biases that would ordinarily cause your motives to be influenced by others' expressed preferences in order to become maximally independent (or vice versa, if you prefer), it's not at all clear that it makes sense to talk about either of us as disabled, even though each of us lacks an ability the other possesses, and even though someone in my culture who approximated either of those states might be considered disabled in various ways.

So, I dunno. I agree that a rational clear dialogue about disability is desirable, but more because of their actual effect on the present than their hypothetical effect on a potential transhumanist future.

Interesting analogies and questions, but

It is not useful to ignore the role of disabled people and disability culture in the transhumanist movement. I believe that the future has a lot to offer many people with disabilities, including those who do not want a 'cure.' Transhumanism can encompass interest in diverse AAC methods, and I believe it should.

This reeks of politics - of "you should believe this because of the political gains to a movement associated to a label that might describe you" instead of "you should believe this because evidence shows it's true".

The label "transhumanist" might apply to me, but that doesn't mean I have any loyalty to a "transhumanist movement" or that I should support things that are "useful" to that movement. (Was it "useful" to the Russian communist movement to start killing off dissenters, ally with Hitler and starve Ukrainians? It allowed the "movement" to last many decades!)

I'd rather we just talked about whether X was right or wrong, or how to think clearly about X, or what the evidence about X is. A solid argument shouldn't require any reference to the listener's identity.

I think that the underlying issue is that different people often make radically different (and sometimes conflicting) qualities a central part of their personal identity. What's worse, some such identifications are regarded as improper while others are enshrined as utterly inviolate, all without any widely agreed upon decision-making metric.

In the case of individuals making their own choices things are usually manageable (one might expect as much or more variance in a transhuman society even without identity politics), but when it comes to propagating identity things get messy. As far as I'm aware, no one's managed to solve that problem to wide satisfaction even for things like religious affiliation that can be changed relatively easily later in life.

I tend to sympathize with Paul Graham here, but I can't even begin to see a society-level solution to the problem. Even the sort of changes discussed by TheOtherDave are regarded as extremely offensive in some cases.

For what it's worth, as a diagnosed autist and a (adult-)lifelong self-identified transhumanist, I can tell you that I never encounter disagreement with the notion of neurodiversity being the ultimate goal of transhumanism, as opposed to forced arbitrary definitions of what is 'superior'. After all; ultimately there is very little difference in the expected utility of providing hearing to the deaf as opposed to finding means of translating sound into other senses they already possess, or even granting senses they do not yet possess in order to process auditory input.

That we are currently limited from doing so does not mean that these things are impossible. Consider as a thought experiment the introduction of ampullae of Lorenzini (electroreceptors as found in sharks) to an adult deaf person with an external device that translated auditory input into local electrical fields those ampullae could then pick up.

As I mentioned elsewhere in this thread; as a diagnosed autist I find that my patterns of thought are significantly different from those around me. And while I would certainly cheer the development of a cure for the low-functioning part of low-functioning autism, I would find myself apalled at the notion of a cure for autism itself. While I from time to time toy with the notion of wondering what it would be like to be like "the rest of you" -- I treasure my difference and the distinctive insights it has clearly offered me.

So as I espouse transhumanism to others, I do so by couching it in terms of providing a wider array of available outcomes, rather than thinking I have the right -- let alone the qualifications -- to decide what forms of 'being' are superior to others, all relevant expected utilities being equal. (Case in point: I would not do away with the ability to 'suffer' unhappiness. I find that, at least for myself, there is no more powerful motivator towards dissatisfaction with my current condition. If a means could be found to prevent profound depression, however, I believe making it an option would be a highly positive moral outcome. I just wouldn't force it on anyone.)