The other day, someone did something I didn't expect.  It was something many people have done before; something that I thought of as very normal, but that I in no way understood and had not predicted.

As I said, this had happened many time before, so I wrote it off as "me not understanding people" or "people are weird" for a second, like I usually do, before realizing that "bad at" really means "lacking basic knowledge", which I had never realized before.

And then I thought "I should ask someone who is different from me why people do that, and eventually someone will have an answer."

But many people will have many more questions like this.  So, what have you observed people doing time and time again, but never understood?  Or something that you only understood after a long time or asking someone about it?

And can Less Wrong tell us, not necessarily why (I for one can make up evolutionary psychology fairy tales all day if I want) but what conscious thought process occurs behind these events?

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Why do I fantasize about being angry?

I'm breaking the rule a bit by asking about myself here.

Sometimes when I have down time and am daydreaming, especially if I'm walking somewhere or going for a run, I fantasize about someone wronging me (say with a traffic violation), then imagine myself getting angry, yelling at them, and physically beating them up. I think about knocking them down, screaming at them, challenging them to get up, and knocking them down again.

I've never acted on such a fantasy. I have no idea how to actually fight someone if I wanted to. It's very rare that I show anger, and I don't think I've ever punched someone as an adult. But I think about it pretty regularly, and the thoughts disturb me. I have no idea where they come from or why I take pleasure in these sorts of fantasies.

Is this a common thought pattern? Why do people have it?

It's called Intrusive Thoughts, and apparently most people have these:

London psychologist Stanley Rachman presented a questionnaire to healthy college students and found that virtually all said they had these thoughts from time to time, including thoughts of sexual violence, sexual punishment, "unnatural" sex acts, painful sexual practices, blasphemous or obscene images, thoughts of harming elderly people or someone close to them, violence against animals or towards children, and impulsive or abusive outbursts or utterances.[6] Such bad thoughts are universal among humans, and have "almost certainly always been a part of the human condition".[7]

When I first read this, I thought "woah, that's kinda weird and worrying". Then I realised I do something similar. I sometimes rehearse violent confrontations in my imagination.

I've been involved in a few violent confrontations as an adult, and they're nothing like you imagine them to be. People like to imagine all the badass things they would have done in those situations, but when you suddenly find yourself in a brawl, your thoughts are generally "what the hell's going on here? Is this really happening?" I've heard accounts of highly trained martial artists experiencing the same thing. Even if you're physically prepared for a fight, you're not necessarily prepared for the social situation of a fight.

I assume that when I imagine violent first-person scenarios it's some sort of long-term rehearsal process where I'm psychologically preparing myself for conflict at some point in the future. I generally try and avoid situations which have a high risk of physical conflict, though, so my sample size is so small as to be useless when trying to figure out if it does any good.

Why are some females sometimes unreasonably mean to other females? Is this even the case?

For example, I recently asked a friend why she felt the need to buy a new dress for every 'special event' (galas, dances, etc.). After some thought, she said it's most likely because she will be looked down upon by other females if she is seen wearing something that she has previously been known to wear. I asked why again, and she said that sort of judgement has probably been inculcated in the majority of females; she clarified that she only bought new dresses so as not to be thought of as low status, and has no qualms wearing the same things around family.

In other words, she thinks other females constantly judge each other based upon their wardrobe; she said the same judgement does not apply to men. I have heard that some females play relatively cruel psychological games with each other when compared to male culture. Is this true? Why do some do it?

I've always assumed it's due to mere insecurity, in the same way some males often put each other down in order to be thought of as higher status.

For example, I recently asked a friend why she felt the need to buy a new dress for every 'special event' (galas, dances, etc.). After some thought, she said it's most likely because she will be looked down upon by other females if she is seen wearing something that she has previously been known to wear. I asked why again, and she said that sort of judgement has probably been inculcated in the majority of females; she clarified that she only bought new dresses so as not to be thought of as low status, and has no qualms wearing the same things around family.

Men have comparable status competitions and nastiness, it just isn't about clothes.

Men have comparable status competitions and nastiness it just isn't about clothes.

Part of Zaine's question is whether this is actually the case. There's an aphorism: "Men insult each other and don't mean it. Women compliment each other and don't mean it." Do groups of men who are friends engage zero-sum status games? What do those look like?

Why do people have the social norm that drinking alcohol is compulsory? I've experienced a number of situations where drinking alcohol was a requirement for social interaction, to the point where people were suspicious and untrustworthy of any abstainers. Why does this happen?

Possibly relevant: I am from the northeastern United States.

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned this one, but it's often inappropriate to hang around with people while not engaging in whatever activity they're doing. Don't sit in the stands at a football game reading a book, don't watch TV while your friends are playing Dungeons and Dragons, don't have your headphones on while friends are having a conversation.

For many people, alcohol raises talkativeness and lowers inhibition, so you're more likely to say things you normally wouldn't (in vino veritas). Sharing private things is a friendship-builder (HPMOR 7), but it can also be embarrassing. Drinking is a pre-commitment to build friendship through potentially embarrassing interactions, and when you abstain, you're saying, "I'll hear your secrets, but keep mine, thank you very much," which is a suspicious and untrustworthy kind of stance.

To the extent the above is true, it's too bad, because

  1. Some people really don't like drinking, and alcohol doesn't make them more sociable anyway
  2. No one should need to self-handicap in this way to trust and be trusted
  3. It's a pre-commitment, limiting your options

I think this is mostly the impression of moral superiority people get from non-drinkers. If you excuse yourself for medical reasons, or imply you're a recovering alcoholic, people will mistrust you a lot less.

I don't know, of course, but if my cohort regularly engages in a habit that leaves us at a physical and cognitive disadvantage, it really doesn't seem too surprising that we will also develop associated habits that prevent others who are not so disadvantaged from engaging with us.

Simple tradition, I expect. In many situations and cultures, consuming alcohol is simply the done thing, and not doing the done thing a surefire way of standing out. I'd also guess that people who drink in these situations expect everyone to know the social norms and agree with them (even if it's only an unconscious background assumption), and so they'll see not wanting to drink as wanting to stand out. And you know what that means.

Why do people go to bars? Is it to find someone to mate with? Or to get drunk? Or just chill?

I don't drink, don't like trying to hold a conversation over loud music, and don't like starting conversations with strangers if I don't think we'll have anything in common. Why the hell do I go to bars?

1) Everyone else is there. It's a Schelling Point for non-specific social activity.

2) It's public. There are a whole host of complicated hospitality / power dynamic / pragmatic considerations that come with inviting people to your home, or being invited to someone else's. Bars take responsibility for all the trappings of hospitality.

3) It's a ubiquitous venue. In an urban area you'll always be able to find a bar in walking distance, whereas you can't say the same for a park or a museum.

4) It's a designated area for social interaction. If I did want to talk to a stranger, this is permitted in bars, whereas it's prohibited in most other venues. (Your mileage may vary here; The UK is a lot more staid about these things than the rest of Europe and North America.)

4) It's a designated area for social interaction. If I did want to talk to a stranger, this is permitted in bars, whereas it's prohibited in most other venues. (Your mileage may vary here; The UK is a lot more staid about these things than the rest of Europe and North America.)

To the point where I sometimes wonder whether the UK has "bars" at all, of the sort being talked about. Go into any pub in the UK, and it will be mostly full of people in small groups who already know each other and went there to talk to each other. In a few specialised environments (e.g. a university campus during the first few weeks of a new year) it may be more common for strangers to strike up new acquaintances in "bars", but I'm not aware of anywhere where it's a general custom. Perhaps in "nightclubs", which I've never been in, but from observation of the queues outside such places, nobody goes to such a place alone, whatever they then do inside.

Disclaimer: these are only the reasons I go to bars. In no particular order.

  1. To exploit alcohol deals -- it's sometimes possible to get alcohol at a bar cheaper than retail price (including tip and cover). Presumably it's a loss leader for something else, or the bar is exploiting some sort of bulk discount.
  2. I've observed plenty of mating/courting behavior at bars, but since the bars in my area are mostly not-gay bars, I don't go to bars to find mates.
  3. To enter a kind of disassociated, free-flowing mental state brought on by the right combination of dancing, inebriation, and music. It's quite cathartic when the stars all line up correctly.
  4. To sing karaoke and not feel self-conscious about it.

So my actual question is:

Many times I've known people and they have simply stopped talking to me and returning my calls/texts/IMs. I am given to understand that this means they don't want to talk to me, and that this is a generally effective strategy.

However I have never been in a position (a) where I didn't want to talk to someone ever again, or (b) in which I wouldn't just tell them that I wasn't really interested in talking at the time for [Reason].

Whenever I think about this overmuch I feel like I should ask these people why they aren't responding to me at all... but they only ever respond by (a) not talking to me or (b) getting very upset, so I have stopped asking.

Has anyone here ever purposefully stopped talking to or responding to someone they know? Can you describe the the thought process behind it?

EDIT: In particular I'm interested in why one would stop talking to a person without some kind of explanation or at least statement. For example (Warning fuzzy details) I once went on a date with someone, and we made plans for another date (there was back and forth), then never heard from the person again, even after a few prompts. While I understand what this means, I don't understand why one wouldn't say "I'm not interested in seeing you any more." Or at least some common stand-in like "Sorry I can't make it I'm busy." My leading hypothesis is that I have an abnormal desire for closure.

I have frequently stopped responding to people because I failed to respond immediately, and then forgot that the conversation existed. I have no idea how common this is.

I do the same thing. With the added effect that if I do notice the conversation after a while, I still fail to respond. The reason is that at that point, if I were to reply I would have to start with an apology like "Sorry it took so long to respond, I forgot / I don't think this conversation is that important / I am a lazy bastard". I don't want to do that, so it's best not to respond at all.

Yes, I know this is a stupid bias. Maybe I should try to fix myself. Any suggestions?

What if you just responded, but without any apology for the delay? That might be easier to write, and it's probably better than not responding.

It's been my experience that people who want a reason for disengagement primarily want that reason so they can argue it is incorrect or can be overcome.

To answer this more generally, instead of in example form people often have anxiety around social interactions particularly those they anticipate to be uncomfortable, conflict-ridden or dramatic. In a dating context (which is usually when this sort of thing happens, in my experience, but maybe you have something different in mind) it is usually a way to cease dating or flirting with someone without having to explain to them that you aren't interested. It avoids the tension involved in waiting for the person to react, the drama of any fallout and the awkwardness of spending any time interacting with them after you've dumped them.

I guess I'm volunteering to answer these things, heh. Well, other people need to answer these things too, right?

Well, so I did stop talking to my most recent ex-boyfriend. The thing was that after our relationship ended many of my friends confided in me that he and I were of vastly different social statuses, and that our relationship had lowered their opinion of my status.

Then, some months later, he returned some of the things he had of mine, and during that meeting he was exceptionally creepy. I realized that talking to him further would only increase the creepiness, and so I stopped talking to him altogether. Most recently, he replied to a throwaway tweet of mine, and I intend not to respond to it because it's still clear that he's still seeking a relationship I'm no longer interested in.