​My recent thoughts on consciousness

I have lately come to seriously consider the view that the everyday notion of consciousness doesn’t refer to anything that exists out there in the world but is rather a confused (but useful) projection made by purely physical minds onto their depiction of themselves in the world. The main influences on my thinking are Dan Dennett, (I assume most of you are familiar with him)  and to a lesser extent Yudkowsky (1) and Tomasik (2). To use Dennett’s line of thought: we say that honey is sweet, that metal is solid or that a falling tree makes a sound, but the character tag of sweetness and sounds is not in the world but in the brains internal model of it. Sweetness in not an inherent property of the glucose molecule, instead, we are wired by evolution to perceive it as sweet to reward us for calorie intake in our ancestral environment, and there is neither any need for non-physical sweetness-juice in the brain – no, it's coded (3). We can talk about sweetness and sound as if being out there in the world but in reality it is a useful fiction of sorts that we are "projecting" out into the world. The default model of our surroundings and ourselves we use in our daily lives (the manifest image, or ’umwelt’) is puzzling to reconcile with the scientific perspective of gluons and quarks. We can use this insight to look critically on how we perceive a very familiar part of the world: ourselves. It might be that we are projecting useful fictions onto our model of ourselves as well. Our normal perception of consciousness is perhaps like the sweetness of honey, something we think exist in the world, when it is in fact a judgement about the world made (unconsciously) by the mind.

What we are pointing at with the judgement “I am conscious” is perhaps the competence that we have to access states about the world, form expectations about those states and judge their value to us, coded in by evolution. That is, under this view, equivalent with saying that suger is made of glucose molecules, not sweetness-magic. In everyday language we can talk about suger as sweet and consciousness as “something-to-be-like-ness“ or “having qualia”, which is useful and probably necessary for us to function, but that is a somewhat misleading projection made by our ​​world-accessing and assessing consciousness that really exists in the world. That notion of consciousness is not subject to the Hard Problem, it may not be an easy problem to figure out how consciousness works, but it does not appear impossible to explain it scientifically as pure matter like anything else in the natural world, at least in theory. I’m pretty confident that we will solve consciousness, if we by consciousness mean the competence of a biological system to access states about the world, make judgements and form expectations. That is however not what most people mean when they say consciousness. Just like ”real” magic refers to the magic that isn’t real and the magic that is real, that can be performed in the world, is not “real magic”, “real” consciousness turns out to be a useful, but misleading assessment (4). We should perhaps keep the word consciousness but adjust what we mean when we use it, for diplomacy.

Having said that, I still find myself baffled by the idea that I might not be conscious in the way I’ve found completely obvious before. Consciousness seems so mysterious and unanswerable, so it’s not surprising then that the explanation provided by physicalists like Dennett isn’t the most satisfying. Despite that, I think it’s the best explanation I've found so far, so I’m trying to cope with it the best I can. One of the problems I’ve had with the idea is how it has required me to rethink my views on ethics. I sympathize with moral realism, the view that there exist moral facts, by pointing to the strong intuition that suffering seems universally bad, and well-being seems universally good. Nobody wants to suffer agonizing pain, everyone wants beatific eudaimonia, and it doesn't feel like an arbitrary choice to care about the realization of these preferences in all sentience to a high degree, instead of any other possible goal like paperclip maximization. It appeared to me to be an unescapable fact about the universe that agonizing pain really is bad (ought to be prevented), that intelligent bliss really is good (ought to be pursued), like a label to distinguish wavelength of light in the brain really is red, and that you can build up moral values from there. I have a strong gut feeling that the well-being of sentience matters, and the more capacity a creature has of receiving pain and pleasure the more weight it is given, say a gradience from beetles to posthumans that could perhaps be understood by further inquiry of the brain (5). However, if it turns out that pain and pleasure isn’t more than convincing judgements by a biological computer network in my head, no different in kind to any other computation or judgement, the sense of seriousness and urgency of suffering appears to fade away. Recently, I’ve loosened up a bit to accept a weaker grounding for morality: I still think that my own well-being matter, and I would be inconsistent if I didn’t think the same about other collections of atoms that appears functionally similar to ’me’, who also claim, or appear, to care about their well-being. I can’t answer why I should care about my own well-being though, I just have to. Speaking of 'me': personal identity also looks very different (nonexistent?) under physicalism, than in the everyday manifest image (6).

Another difficulty I confront is why e.g. colors and sounds looks and sounds the way they do or why they have any quality at all, under this explanation. Where do they come from if they’re only labels my brain uses to distinguish inputs from the senses? Where does the yellowness of yellow come? Maybe it’s not a sensible question, but only the murmuring of a confused primate. Then again, where does anything come from? If we can learn to shut up our bafflement about consciousness and sensibly reduce it down to physics – fair enough, but where does physics come from? That mystery remains, and that will possibly always be out of reach, at least probably before advanced superintelligent philosophers. For now, understanding how a physical computational system represents the world, creates judgements and expectations from perception presents enough of a challenge. It seems to be a good starting point to explore anyway (7).


I did not really put forth any particularly new ideas here, this is just some of my thoughts and repetitions of what I have read and heard others say, so I'm not sure if this post adds any value. My hope is that someone will at least find some of my references useful, and that it can provide a starting point for discussion. Take into account that this is my first post here, I am very grateful to receive input and criticism! :-)

  1. Check out Eliezer's hilarious tear down of philosophical zombies if you haven't already
  2. http://reducing-suffering.org/hard-problem-consciousness/
  3. [Video] TED talk by Dan Dennett http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_dennett_cute_sexy_sweet_funny
  4. http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/dennett/papers/explainingmagic.pdf
  5. Reading “The Moral Landscape” by Sam Harris increased my confidence in moral realism. Whether moral realism is true of false can obviously have implications for approaches to the value learning problem in AI alignment, and for the factual accuracy of the orthogonality thesis
  6. http://www.lehigh.edu/~mhb0/Dennett-WhereAmI.pdf
  7. For anyone interested in getting a grasp of this scientific challenge I strongly recommend the book “A User’s Guide to Thought and Meaning” by Ray Jackendoff.



Edit: made some minor changes and corrections. Edit 2: made additional changes in the first paragraph for increased readability.

 


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Consider reading Scott Aaronson on the matter. Here is an excerpt:

In my opinion, how to construct a theory that tells us which physical systems are conscious and which aren’t—giving answers that agree with “common sense” whenever the latter renders a verdict—is one of the deepest, most fascinating problems in all of science. Since I don’t know a standard name for the problem, I hereby call it the Pretty-Hard Problem of Consciousness. Unlike with the Hard Hard Problem, I don’t know of any philosophical reason why the Pretty-Hard Problem should be inherently unsolvable; but on the other hand, humans seem nowhere close to solving it (if we had solved it, then we could reduce the abortion, animal rights, and strong AI debates to “gentlemen, let us calculate!”).

http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1799

http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1951

Aaronson asks the right questions, rather than settle for "dissolving", the way Eliezer tends to do.

We can talk about sweet and sound being “out there” in the world but in reality it is a useful fiction of sorts that we are “projecting” out into the world.

I hate to put on my Bishop Berkeley hat. Sweet and sound are things we can directly perceive. The very notion of something being "out there" independent of us is itself a mental model we use to explain our perceptions. We say that our sensation of sweetness is caused by a thing we call glucose. We can talk of glucose in terms of molecules, but as we can't actually see a molecule, we have to speak of it in terms of the effect it produces on a measurement apparatus.

The same holds for any scientific experiment. We come up with a theory that predicts that some phenomenon is to occur. To test it, we devise an apparatus and say that the phenomenon occurred if we observe the apparatus behave one way, and that it did not occur if we observe the apparatus to behave another way.

There's a bit of circular reasoning. We can come up with a scientific explanation of our perception of taste or color, but the very science we use depends upon the perceptions it tries to explain. The very notion of a world outside of ourselves is a theory used to explain certain regularities in our perceptions.

This is part of what makes consciousness a hard problem. Since consciousness is responsible for our perception of the world, it's very hard to take an outside view and define it in terms of other concepts.

This is part of what makes consciousness a hard problem. Since consciousness is responsible for our perception of the world, it's very hard to take an outside view and define it in terms of other concepts.

Really? What's the quale of a number? I think we can investigate consciousness scientifically precisely because science is one of our very few investigation methods that doesn't amount to introspecting on intuitions and qualia. It keeps working, where previous introspective philosophy kept failing.

If you're arguing that the scientific method is our best known way of investigating consciousness, I don't think anyone disputes that. If we assume the existence of an external world (as common sense would dictate), we have a great deal of confidence in science. My concern is that it's hard to investigate consciousness without a good definition.

Any definition ultimately depends on undefined concepts. Let's take numbers. For example, "three" is a property shared by all sets that can be put in one-to-one correspondence with the set { {}, {{}}, { {{}}, {} } } (to use Peano's construction). A one-to-one correspondence between two sets A and B is simply a subset of the Cartesian product A x B that satisfies certain properties. So numbers can be thought of in terms of sets. But what is a set? Well, it's a collection of objects. We can then ask what collections are and what objects are, etc. At some point we have to decide upon primitive elements that remain undefined and build everything up around those. It all rests on intuitions in the end. We decide which intuitions are the most trustworthy and go from there.

So, if we want to define "consciousness", we are going to have to found it upon some elementary concepts. The trouble is that, since our consciousness forms an important part of all our perceptions and even our very thoughts, it's difficult to get a good outside perspective and see how the edifice is built.

{ {}, {{}}, { {{}}, {} } } (to use Peano's construction)

These are Von Neumann's ordinals!

Want to register agreement with your post, though it seems incongruous to say, one the one hand, that consciousness seems to escape definition and on the other the scientific method is the best known tool for explaining it.

Meta: You appear to have various negative responses; I am not completely clear as to why.

I found this idea useful to discover; while I can't really see its applications in modifying the way I access the real world, it certainly does raise some interesting ethical ideas.

I immediately thought of person X that I know in relation to the idea of ethics and consciousness. X (is real and) does not have the same ethics model as commonly found in people. They value themselves over and beyond other humans, both near and far (while not unlike many people; this is particularly abundant in their life). A classic label for this is "having a big ego" or "narcissism". If consciousness is reduced to "nothing but brain chemicals", the value of other entities is considerably lower than the value an entity might put on itself (because it can). Although this does seems like an application of fundamental attribution error (kinda also reverse-typical mind fallacy [AKA everyone else does not have a mind like me]) being the value one places internally is higher than that which is places on other external entities.

when adding the idea of "not much makes up consciousness", potentially unethical narcissism actions turn into boring, single-entity self-maximisation actions.

an entity which lacks capacity to reflect outwardly in the same capacity that it reflects inwards would have a nacissism problem (if it is a problem).

Should we value outside entities as much as we do ourselves? Why?

Should we value outside entities as much as we do ourselves? Why?

Nate Soares recently wrote about problems with using the word "should" that I think are relevant here, if we assume meta-ethical relativism (if there are no objective moral shoulds). I think his post "Caring about something larger than yourself" could be valuable in providing a personal answer to the question, if you accept meta-ethical relativism.

My problem with materialist reductionism is that it entails that explanations should suffice to provide descriptions. The taste of honey refers to something entirely descriptive, both without the power of furnishing an explanation of anything about the honey, and incapable of being grasped by means of anything that does explain something about the honey.

You could model the world that provokes you into experiencing sensations without any access to the sensations themselves (you wouldn't know what you were modelling however) using nothing but a collection of flavourless tokens related by explanatory mechanisms.

Neither you nor I will ever know what a glucose molecule is in the way that we know what an orange tastes like. If you found out tomorrow that molecular theory has been a grand, ingenious, astounding and improbable swindle, nothing about your beliefs concerning the taste of oranges will change in the least. I really cannot see how explanatory statements can bear descriptive burdens, which is ultimately what the problem of "qualia" is driving at.

There are even further problems I see, for example if your language is restricted to explanatory statements then your ability to communicate is effectively restricted to statements about the states of some machine (for the sake of completeness of argument, take this to be a turing-complete computer) and changes in this state. This leaves no room for the possibility of a description, any statement concerning a "qualia" could not augment the information we have about the state of the machine or the rules by which it changes. It follows from this that all "senses" available to the machine could at best only be different schemes of drawing up a more compact declaration about machine states and programs, there could be no sense of "sight" as distinct from the sense of "sound" or "emotion". For a machine, the sensation of "sound" might as well be identical to the sensation of sight, but always accompanied by a unique, peculiar shade of blue. If you deny a human being the ability to separate out information according to the sense by which it arrives, he's hardly capable of communicating anything whatsoever.

Explanations are useful because they organize descriptive information, rather than vice versa.

Pan-psychism resolves all philosophical hitches I've been able to come up with, and I would argue that it's not a "mysterious answer" but simply an assumption that our inner experience of consciousness is in fact a feature of the world as mass-energy is assumed to be, without the need for further explanation and not admitting of any such a possibility. Now I don't actually enjoy insisting that no explanation is possible of what is a very confusing topic, but in this case it's not the topic that needs to be explained but the process by which we confused ourselves over it.

Pan-psychism resolves all philosophical hitches I've been able to come up with

Does it answer such questions as "how does consciousness work?" and "how can we make one (by other than the traditional method)?"?

Sweetness isn't an intrinsic property of the thing, but it is a relational property of the thing - i.e. the thing's sweetness comes into existence when we (with our particular characteristics) interact with it. And objectively so.

It's not right to mix up "intrinsic" or "inherent" with objective. They're different things. A property doesn't have to be intrinsic in order to be objective.

So sweetness isn't a property of the mental model either.

It's an objective quality (of a thing) that arises only in its interaction with us. An analogy would be how we're parents to our children, colleagues to our co-workers, lovers to our lovers. We are not parents to our lovers, or intrinsically or inherently parents, but that doesn't mean our parenthood towards our children is solely a property of our childrens' perception, or that we're not really parents because we're not parents to our lovers.

And I think Dennett would say something like this too; he's very much against "qualia" (at least to a large degree, he does allow some use of the concept, just not the full-on traditional use).

When we imagine, visualize or dream things, it's like the activation of our half of the interaction on its own. The other half that would normally make up a veridical perception isn't there, just our half.

If the brain were rewired to find lemons sweet, would sweetness then be an objective quality of lemons?

No need to rewire the brain, just eat some Synsepalum dulcificum and lemons will be sweet, for a while.

Yes, for that person. Remember, we're not talking about an intrinsic or inherent quality, but an objective quality. Test it however many times you like, the lemon will be sweet to that person - i.e. it's an objective quality of the lemon for that person.

Or to put it another way, the lemon is consistently "giving off" the same set of causal effects that produce in one person "tart", another person "sweet".

The initial oddness arises precisely because we think "sweetness" must itself be an intrinsic quality of something, because there's several hundred years of bad philosophy that tells us there are qualia, which are intrinsically private, intrinsically subjective, etc.

So whenever you could wire a brain to undergo some particular set of sensory experiences given stimulation of a particular type by a particular object, the sensory experiences are then an objective quality of the object. Surely it follows that all qualities are objective qualities? It's a category of quality that doesn't tell us anything.

All purely sensory qualities of an object are objective, yes. Whatever sensory experience you have of an object is just precisely how that object objectively interacts with your sensory system. The perturbation that your being (your physical substance) undergoes upon interaction with that object via the causal sensory channels is precisely the perturbation caused by that object on your physical system, with the particular configuration ("wiring") it has.

There are still subjective perceived qualities of objects though - e.g. illusory (e.g.like Müller-Lyer, etc., but not "illusions" like the famous "bent" stick in water, that's a sensory experience), pleasant, inspiring, etc.

I'm calling "sensory" here the experience (perturbation of one's being) itself, "perception" the interpretation of it (i.e. hypothetical projection of a cause of the perturbation outside the perturbation itself). Of course in doing this I'm "tidying up" what is in ordinary language often mixed (e.g. sometimes we call sensory experiences as I'm calling them "perceptions", and vice-versa). At least, there are these two quite distinct things or processes going on, in reality. There may also be caveats about at what level the brain leaves off sensorily receiving and starts actively interpreting perception, not 100% sure about that.

If the brain were rewired to find lemons sweet, would sweetness then be an objective quality of lemons?

It would be an objective quality of your relation to the lemon.

What is a subjective quality if not a "quality of [someone's] relation to [something]"?

I can run an objective experiment where I tell people in hypnosis that the lemon tastes sweet. Given good hypnosis subject the result will be that a bunch of the people do feel the qualia of sweetness in relation to the lemon.

Well OK. I'm not sure if what I think we're talking about is what you think we're talking about. I'm wondering if there's any difference between a subjective quality of a thing and an "objective quality of a relation" between a subject and a thing. Is this what your hypothetical is meant to be addressing?

It's subjective if it's the relationship that you have to something. It's objective if you talk about the relationship someone else has with something.

So you could say that its being a subjective relation to you is not an objective relation between you and the object? Or is it?